I commented on this post here : Guangming Employee Punched by Umno, Slapped by MCA.

Wow, not only hit by Umno, slapped by your own Chinese people the MCA.

Tossed , tossed, tossed like the salted vegetables.

http://jelas.info/2007/11/18/journalist-punched-by-umno-slapped-by-mca/

Show him your gun loh, Alvin, make him scare loh :) “a lot of crimes in malaysia are not jz break in….but snatch thief also. so how are you gonna protect yourself against snatch thief?”

we have so many road bullies here n there even when some of us have weapons in our car for self protection purpose. but it still happens.

UK is not the safest place in the world. i never say that. but for me, their police is more efficient than malaysia’s. so far, i’ve been told by many ppl that only certain part of UK are not that safe.

mmm talking bout robbery. without a proper police force in US, do you think you will b able to walk safely on the street? you don’t carry a gun while taking a walk in the park. no?

a lot of crimes in malaysia are not jz break in….but snatch thief also. so how are you gonna protect yourself against snatch thief?

I think what should be made clear in this debate here is, yes Americans have the right to carry and bear guns, but with ownership comes responsibility.

Jamy, this you have to make clear – you cannot carry a gun and brandish it about in a public place. It is against the law. You can’t have a gun in the car that is accessible to the driver, unless you have a concealed weapon permit. You have to leave your guns in the trunk of your car.

So for example if people want to gather to protest, you cannot have your guns at such rallies. That is against the law. But nobody can stop you from peacefully gathering to protest some issue or other. The only time you need to obtain a permit is when your gathering/rally is going to cause some obstruction to traffic, for eg a parade.

I think what also needs to be made clear here is that anyone with a criminal record, by law, cannot obtain guns. But since they are criminals, they will get their hands on guns no matter what the law says. There is a black market after all like for illegal drugs.

Each state has different gun laws, some more strict than others. But the law for now is you cannot buy a handgun without first going through a background check and a waiting period.

I find the equation of no guns allowed=more peaceful country simplistic. Is America not a peaceful country?! The UK and Australia are not more peaceful than the US. Every male in Switzerland has at least a gun because of the national service that every male in Switzerland is required to do. Is Switzerland less peaceful? It is the most peaceful country and gun crimes are so low that statistics are not even kept! See, the argument of more guns equals more crimes is a fallacious argument.

When children are killed because of accidental shootings that is tragic. But guns are not the number 1 killer of children under 14. Want to know what it is? Car accidents. Yes, car accidents. Other causes of accidental deaths in children, are bicycle related deaths, pedestrian related deaths, choking from toys, poisoning, nursery related products like cribs, drownings.
Deaths of children related to guns have the biggest drop in recent years.

It would be ridiculous to ban children in cars, wouldn’t it, even though the highest number of deaths for children occurred in cars.

Here are some news articles about gun crimes in the UK.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2317307.ece

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200101%5CFor20010111e.html

Bottom line: No one has to fear guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.

And yes, America’s government is not tyrannical, and it will remain so because the government knows that the people will revolt if ever it becomes one, and no, it won’t be a bloodless revolution. The government is put there by the people, and the people can take the government out too.

A gun town where every head of the household owns a gun and there is no crime happened the last 25years. What do you say of that ?

Is morphine good or bad ? Should we outlaw morphine so that our terminal ill cancer patient suffer in great pain because some irresponsible people abuse morphine ? No, I was robbed in London when I was a tourist there many years back, I won’t say their police is the best. So without gun law, there is shooting here and there in UK ? “look at UK, they don’t legalize guns……no? but so far, it’s quite peaceful because they have a very efficient police force. true, there ARE shootings here n there….nothing is perfect after all.”

Why would a responsible abu go to rob people ? But the robber would be afraid to go to ah bu and ah kow house knowing that abu and ah kow and Ah Pek have gun in their home : “then every abu, ah kow also can take gun and go rob people. the crime rate will go up.” The crime rate will go down !

My dad always has a concealed parang in his car while he had a business in the fish market because there were a lot of gangsters who demand protection fees from the fish mongers. Did these fish monger brought the matter to police, yes, of course, did the police did anything. NOP… A lot of people paid the protection fees , did my dad pay ? NO. Did the gangster dared to get near Mr Tan ? NOP ! We dont’ have guns but we have parangs !

Alvin, I wish you all the best walking on the street in K.L and P.J alone at night without guns. Beware of the Indonesians who have guns and run loose !

until now, we dont have any school shooting yet. but it happened in US before.

true, you might say that it is because of the abuse…people abuse the gun… but that’s human nature right? we sometime take things for granted.

i will not say that gun is good or bad…..because it really depends. but one thing i can say is that our country’s police force should actually be more efficient. look at UK, they don’t legalize guns……no? but so far, it’s quite peaceful because they have a very efficient police force. true, there ARE shootings here n there….nothing is perfect after all. the important thing is that the police moves swiftly to hunt down whoever was involved.

back to the gun thingy…. now, we have criminals taking gun to rob people. if you allow people to get guns freely……then every abu, ah kow also can take gun and go rob people. the crime rate will go up. you might argue if we have guns to protect ourselves…….maybe they don dare. but IMHO, the criminals, when they are desperate…they dont really care. they will still go n rob u with their guns…….BUT….they will shoot you first in case you use your gun against them.

jz my 5 sen

“It is reported that a high percentage of those killed from a gun are accidental firings” One of my friends has a 3rd degree burnt recently on a morbid that explode.

Read this and you would know it is not gun that kill, it is to deter :
‘25 years murder-free in ‘Gun Town USA’

Thanks for dropping by. I read your blog.

Like I said, the % is less than 0.0001% “Look what happenned in Americaand some Western countries the past few years.Children hardly old enough to hold a gun, took their fathers’ guns to settle a score with their schoolmates, killing dozen or so in their moment of madness.That’s gun culture for you.” It is much less than auto accident. Liberal media play up gun shoot.

Likewise, morphine is good for a terminal ill cancer patient to relief his/her pain but for another it is an abuse. An individual should be responsible for a right that is entrusted to him/her.

Would the police dare to beat the day light out of the by stander if the by stander has the same power as him ? “Just imagine, if guns are freely available in this country, some irresponsible idiots would have used it at the Bersih rally against the police in retaliation.Than, all hell will break lose.”

Because you guys have Tan Sri, Datuk, Datin, we only have common people. The country is of the people, by the people and for the people , we don’t rule by king and Queen “No, Malaysia was right not to allow ownership of guns for the common people.This is not America or the Philippines, we don’t have to copy them.”

I read from a forum by an ex Malaysian : “Not having guns is not equal to lesser degree in violence. I used to live in Bangsar, KL……….supposedly an elite area in town. But unfortunately, the crime rate was so high. The robbers who robbed houses in that area had guns. Mind you , most of these robbers were Indonesians. Where on earth did they get weapons like these from? Calling the cops didn’t make any difference. When the police were called, they would turn up about an hour later. Their excuse? Oh we were somewhere in sungai Buluh. Everyone knew that was a big fat lie. In KL they have Rakan Kop. These guys patrol around in police cars and each Taman has 2 or 3 peronda cars designated to so call ronda in those areas. In many instances, I have seen them gathered at a Petronas station, chatting away. More and more of the residents have become so frustrated that they are talking about arming themselves with guns. I have personally witnessed a woman being chopped on the head with a parang by two guys on a motorbike behind my house and all I could do was scream. You can’t imagine how helpless I felt. The neighbours and I ran out to help the lady. We had no weapons, just sheer will power. The robbers saw the crowd running towards them and sped off . All that blood shed just for a gold chain. The cops as usual, turned up an hour later. But you know something? Many of the datuks and menteris have guns in their homes. Recently when I was back in Malaysia, a datuk escaped from being harmed by a break in because he shot the robbers with his gun. So is it fair that only the rich be allowed to own guns to protect themselves and not the average person? Angry Angry”

My Malaysian reader (especially women or men who have mothers, wives, daughters) who are going to protect them when you are not around ?

Another one said this : “Even if you outlaw guns like in Malaysia very strict gun control. Does that mean we have less violence? I honestly don’t know because i don’t have figures but I think we are only kidding ourselves because what do all these gang members use? Parang-lah and other types of weapons. So many times we hear about wedding parties or people come in a gang to chop everyone with knives, parang etc. My opinion now, it is not the weapon that is bad. It is the abuse of it. We can outlaw or control all weapons but the end result is – people will use something else as weapons and you put more power in the hands of a select few which makes abuse even more likely.”